Friday, January 21, 2005

My Response to DU Banning the man-made tsunami theory threads about HAARP

[JamBoi's Editorial note: Satori's story about being kicked off of DU for explorative posts regarding theories that the Tsunami might have been artificial can be found at: JBIE.blogspot.com .]

Skinner
ADMIN
About the New York Times, Fox News, and Kooky Tsunami Conspiracy Theories

My counterpoints to Skinner at DU is that if it was so
Kooky then... why has a very qualified world renowned
scientist known from around the world written articles
about it ? See below. And she is also a scientist/
environmentalist as well. The right wing
conservative press Jane's Defense Weekly has
discussions about HAARP. But if a DU member posts
these or similar articles and asks questions about
them they are "kooks"?

It also seems that from the time the ban started a new
thread was started discussing HAARP.


Background on the HAARP Project
By Rosalie Bertell
Earthpulse Press
November 5, 1996

HAARP Project Censorship

As a front page story, a prestigious panel of
journalists judged HAARP to be in the top ten
under-reported news stories of 1994 and was included
in a book titled Project Censored. Only recently, has
HAARP began to attract the limelight of various
publications. Earlier in 1995, ExtraOrdinary Science
highlighted HAARP in their Jan/Feb/Mar issue. By
September, Popular Science featured it as a cover
story.

In the near future, HAARP will be extensively covered
in a number of publications and on television as well.
The winter issue of the Earth Island Journal and the
December-January issue of an Australian magazine,
Nexus, will be carrying stories on HAARP.

HAARP was recently described as a new weapon in Jane's
Defense Weekly. Television producers for BBC and Fox
have arranged to interview a number researchers for
future stories. In addition, a number of national and
international radio appearances are being scheduled on
a very controversial topic ? the implications for use
of the military's HAARP device.

HAARP Enviromental Warfare,Reprinted from: Exotic Research Report (Volume 1, Issue 1; Jan/Feb/Mar 1996)

What's Up With HAARP? A lesson in post-modern warfare

The Debate Widens

True or false, the notion that a bunch of SDI spooks
were building an Alaskan doom machine made HAARP the
biggest thing to hit the paranormal/UFO scene since
that Air Force guy let something slip about that
flying saucer in Roswell. Most of the original HAARP
publicity came from the Angels authors' appearances on
FOX. Better than nothing, I suppose, but not much
better as far as mainstream credibility is concerned.

From the Copper River Country Journal

THIS IS A CHART that was on a wall inside a HAARP
project building. It shows (from right to left) the
disturbance caused by a transmission from HAARP, and
how it is charted. The flat line at the bottom shows
how "The Ionosphere quickly returns to normal after
the transmitter goes off." The HAARP project is the
subject of much recent controversy, and is featured in
Popular Science, Jane's Defense Weekly, and a number
of alternative publications. Staff from "We Alaskans"
a Sunday magazine of the Anchorage Daily News, visited
the site Sunday. A group from Fox TV's show,
"Sightings", were due to visit Monday.


HAARP: Electromagnetic War On Horizon?

A book Angels Don't Play This HAARP: Advances in Tesla
Technology by Dr. Nick Begich documents that our
government has been developing a new, ground-based
Star Wars weapon system for years.

These discoveries have alerted a growing number of
alternative media sources to this new weapons system.
Even Jane's Defense Weekly and Popular Science covered
it, but the vast majority of Americans know nothing
about HAARP.


"Heating up the air waves," Jane's Defense Weekly,
April 1, 1995, p.12. On HAARP.

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Curriculum Vitae
Rosalie Bertell, Ph.D., GNSH


Dr. Rosalie Bertell is an advocate for health, for the
world & those who live on it.

Dr. Rosalie Bertell - Environmentalist

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HAARP - New World Order Mind Control
and Weather Warfare Weapon


Changing Statements About Power Levels

At the legislative hearing, HAARP employees focused on HAARP's current power levels, while the researchers on the other side of the controversy focused attention on the direction in which the power levels for the project are heading.

Has the military decided to downsize this current program they call HAARP because of public attention to it? At the legislative hearing, a representative of the military said the current developmental prototype of HAARP is capable of 3.6 kilowatts of radiated power. The full scale prototype will provide up to ten times that, or about 3,600 kilowatts, he said.

Dr. Patrick Flanagan noted that "the power levels described by Dr. Hecksher aren't consistent with a statement he made on a TV show (Sightings). When he was interviewed, (Dr. Hecksher) said the HAARP system can punch holes through the ionosphere and these holes would heal shortly after a HAARP system was turned off."

To punch a hole through the ionosphere would take more than the alleged 3,600 kilowatts, Dr. Flanagan indicated. He did mention, however, that there was another disturbing possibility: the "maser amplification of the HAARP energy. For example, if HAARP is applying 3,600 kilowatts to the ionosphere, there's a possibility of what is called maser amplification of that energy by charged particles in the ionosphere...the energy is powered by the energy from the sun. So that these charged particles in the ionosphere can be caused to mase... So that puts out more energy than HAARP is putting in."

What do the military planners have in mind? Technical Memorandum 195, an unpublished 613-page compilation concerning the HAARP Workshop on Ionospheric Heating Diagnostics, (held in 1991 at Hanscom Air Force Base, Massachusetts) includes this piece of information: the desired level of power for HAARP is 100 billion watts, vastly greater than what the military is now claiming as a goal. Other documents from the military were openly published and refer to power levels between one and ten gigawatts (billion watts).

Whatever the eventual power level it does not take much power bouncing back to the surface of the earth to affect living organisms. Dr. Nick Begich also told the State Affairs Committee about a substantial amount of science literature on the topic that has been published as recently as the early 1990s. The findings suggest that lower levels of energy (lower than previously believed) can affect human physiology. These studies are the most significant aspect of what has not been properly disclosed by those responsible for the HAARP project's safety, he testified. The project began when the debate over effects of ionizing and non-ionizing radiation was still in its infancy. Since then, many scientists have come to the conclusion that lower energy densities, when pulsed in the right frequency range, will have profound health effects.


Alaska Lawmakers Hear Scientists' Concerns

One of the experts who testified at the State Affairs Committee hearing was Richard Williams of Princeton, New Jersey. He has a doctorate degree in physical chemistry from Harvard University and worked for 30 years as an industrial scientist in solid state electronics, electronics, structure of clouds, water evaporation and other environmental problems. Dr. Williams is an independent scientist; he's not dependent on funding from the military. This lends him a degree of independent judgment which compels us to quote him at length:

"I want to alert the legislature to an activity now going on in Alaska that, in addition to any local effect, might become a global threat to the atmosphere. That is HAARP. The initial experiment, as Mr.(project manager John) Hecksher said, will be done using modest power levels and are not a cause for concern. However, the project's internal documents indicate that plans include the eventual use of power levels up to ten billion watts. This is an enormous power level, more than 200 times the total electrical power level used by the city of Juneau. There could be a serious impact in the atmosphere that might result from energies of this magnitude. Effects might include drastic alteration of the thermal, refractive, scattering and emission character of the atmosphere over a wide range of the electromagnetic spectrum."

"Experiments at this power level would produce large changes in the concentration of charged particles in the ionosphere that would persist for some time and might even lead to permanent changes."

Dr. Williams told the committee that he is a supporter of the armed forces, but as a scientist he wanted to explain how "unintended consequences of innocent and beneficial human activities can cause serious changes on a global scale".

We introduced two examples of activities earlier this century which caused unintentional and serious changes in the atmosphere, with effects worldwide. The first example he cited was the growing concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. "What we don't know yet is how this will affect the delicate balance of life on earth."

The second unintended change that he cited is damage to the ozone layer, that shields us from harmful ultraviolet radiation. "In neither of these examples would an Environmental Impact Statement have identified the problem in time. Do we have any way to judge what (HAARP's) energy can do to the upper atmosphere?"

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Individual members of the European Parliament are among the growing number of people worldwide who have been startled to hear about HAARP. Voices expressing various levels of concern are being heard in many countries. For example, in contrast with the cautiously-worded comment of Dr. Bertell, a Germany-based researcher in the field of quantum electrodynamics, Al Zielinski, paints an apocalyptic word-picture. (He says HAARP technology could trigger a disaster with a global impact - electromagnetic waves causing destruction "when interacting with protective layers of the earth and its gravitational field".)


Bubble Of Electric Particles

Angels Don't Play This HAARP includes interviews with independent scientists such as Elizabeth Rauscher. She has a Ph.D., a long and impressive career in high-energy physics, and has been published in prestigious science journals and books. Rauscher commented on HAARP. "You're pumping tremendous energy into an extremely delicate molecular configuration that comprises these multi-layers we call the ionosphere." The ionosphere is prone to catalytic reactions, she explained; if a small part is changed, a major change in the ionosphere can happen.

In describing the ionosphere as a delicately balanced system, Dr. Rauscher shared her mental picture of it -- a soap-bubble-like sphere surrounding Earth's atmosphere, with movements swirling over the surface of the bubble. If a big enough hole is punched through it, she predicts, it could pop.

Slicing The Ionosphere

David Yarrow of Albany, New York, is a researcher with a background in electronics. He described possible interactions of HAARP radiations with the ionosphere and Earth's magnetic grid:

"HAARP will not burn 'holes' in the ionosphere. That is a dangerous understatement of what HAARP's giant gigawatt beam will do. Earth is spinning relative to thin electric shells of the multilayer membrane of 'ion-o-speres' that absorb and shield Earth's surface from intense solar radiation, including charged particle storms in solar winds erupting from the sun. Earth's axial spin means that HAARP -- in a burst lasting more than a few minutes -- will slice through the ionosphere like a microwave knife. This produces not a 'hole', but a long tear -- an incision."

Among other researchers quoted is Paul Schaefer of Kansas City. His degree is in electrical engineering and he spent four years building nuclear weapons. "But most of the theories that we have been taught by scientists to believe in seem to be falling apart," he says.

He talks about imbalances already caused by the industrial and atomic age, especially by radiation of large numbers of tiny, high-velocity particles "like very small spinning tops into our environment. The unnatural level of motion of highly-energetic particles in the atmosphere and in radiation belts surrounding Earth is the villain in the weather disruptions, according to this model, which describes an Earth discharging its buildup of heat, relieving stress and regaining a balanced condition through earthquakes and volcanic action.

'Feverish' Earth

"One might compare the abnormal energetic state of the Earth and its atmosphere to a car battery which has become overcharged with the normal flow of energy jammed up, resulting in hot spots, electrical arcing, physical cracks and general turbulence as the pent-up energy tries to find some place to go."

In a second analogy, Schaefer says "Unless we desire the death of our planet, we must end the production of unstable particles which are generating the earth's fever. A first priority to prevent this disaster would be to shut down all nuclear power plants and end the testing of atomic weapons, electronic warfare and 'Star Wars'."

Meanwhile, the military builds its biggest ionospheric heater yet, to deliberately create more instabilities in a huge plasma layer -- the ionosphere -- and to rev up the energy level of charged particles.

40 Years Of Zapping The Sky?

As far back as 1958, the chief White House advisor on weather modification, Captain Howard T. Orville, said the U.S. defense department was studying "ways to manipulate the charges of the earth and sky and so affect the weather" by using an electronic beam to ionize or de-ionize the atmosphere over a given area.

In 1966, Professor Gordon J. F. MacDonald was associate director of the Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics at the University of California, Los Angeles, was a member of the President's Science Advisory Committee, and later a member of the President's Council on Environmental Quality. He published papers on the use of environmental-control technologies for military purposes. MacDonald made a revealing comment:

"The key to geophysical warfare is the identification of environmental instabilities to which the addition of a small amount of energy would release vastly greater amounts of energy."

World-recognized scientist MacDonald had a number of ideas for using the environment as a weapon system and he contributed to what was, at the time, the dream of a futurist. When he wrote his chapter, "How To Wreck The Environment", for the book Unless Peace Comes, he was not kidding around. In it he describes the use of weather manipulation, climate modification, polar ice cap melting or destabilization, ozone depletion techniques, earthquake engineering, ocean wave control and brain wave manipulation using the planet's energy fields. He also said that these types of weapons would be developed and, when used, would be virtually undetectable by their victims. Is HAARP that weapon? The military's intention to do environmental engineering is well documented.

What about HAARP? Energy blasted upward from an ionospheric heater is not much compared to the total in the ionosphere, but HAARP documents admit that thousandfold-greater amounts of energy can be released in the ionosphere than injected. As with MacDonald's "key to geophysical warfare", "nonlinear" effects (described in the literature about the ionospheric heater) mean small input and large output. Astrophysicist Adam Trombly told Manning that an acupuncture model is one way to look at the possible effect of multi-gigawatt pulsing of the ionosphere. If HAARP hits certain points , those parts of the ionosphere could react in surprising ways.

Smaller ionospheric heaters such as the one at Arecibo are underneath relatively placid regions of the ionosphere, compared to the dynamic movements nearer Earth's magnetic poles. That adds another uncertainty to HAARP - the unpredictable and lively upper atmosphere near the North Pole.

HAARP experimenters do not impress common sense Alaskans such as Barbara Zickuhr, who says "They're like boys playing with a sharp stick, finding a sleeping bear and poking it in the butt to see what's going to happen."

Dr. Begich wanted the discussion to focus on the unique features of HAARP technology, not merely on power levels transmitted from the ground. The significant feature which distinguishes HAARP from other ionospheric heater projects operating around the world is the focusing capability of this particular design. The ability to focus radio-frequency energy into a narrow beam and to steer that beam gives it a powerful advantage in "perturbing the ionosphere".

Dr. Siun Akasofu, head of the University of Alaska's Geophysical Institute, argued that speaking about the focusing is misleading and that even if the radio-frequency beam is focused, "...the amount of energy going into the ionosphere is so little that you cannot see any light coming from the ionosphere. One of most sensitive instruments in the world cannot see it. On the other hand, look at the aurora; you can see it with your naked eye." (We experienced Dr. Akasofu's statement as being strange, because the scientific literature on ionospheric heaters is full of references to "enhanced airglow" from the experiments.)

Dr. Begich and Dr. Flanagan asked the committee to look at the absence of independent biological scientists and people with backgrounds in electrophysiology, in the think tanks where HAARP-type experiments are hatched. People with those backgrounds are also concerned, he said, that using a tool for disturbing the ionosphere is not a decision that should be made only by the United States; it's a global issue.

Alaska may acquire a defense shield in the form of an advanced HAARP-type technology, Dr. Begich noted. "But it has to be reviewed from a biological standpoint, not just a mechanical standpoint."


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Here is a brief reading list concerning the non-violent movement that was in opposition to Geman Nazism during World War 2. Some of these heros and icons of the non-violent movement influenced Daniel Ellsberg's decision to stand against the Vietnam War by bringing the Pentagon Papers to public attention.


My Argument with the Gestapo
By Thomas Merton

Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Man and His Mission

They did the right thing

Gordon Zahn, the sociologist,

Rolf Hochhuth discusses his play "The Deputy" with Hannah Arendt
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Rolf Hochhuth discusses his play "The Deputy" with Hannah Arendt


Author Name: Hochhuth, Rolf/Foreword by Dr. Albert Schweitzer

Title: The Deputy

Binding: Hardback/Dust Jacket
Book Condition: Very Good
Jacket Condition: Fine
Edition: 2nd Printing
Size: 352 pages
Publisher: NY Grove Press 1964

The Most Controversial Play of Our Time/A very good Hardback Book(previous owner's name inside front board) in a Fine Dust Jacket(1 tiny chip)/The full un-cut text of the original, complete with the author's own sidelights on its history/translated from the German by Richard & Clara Winston/Seller pays shipping USA & only ships USA

Franz Jagerstatter

Franz Jägerstätter was an Austrian Christian executed for his refusal to serve in the armies of the Third Reich. He was born out of wedlock in 1907 in the small town of St. Radegund. His natural father was killed in World War I. His mother married Herr Jagerstatter, a small farmer, who adopted Franz. After gaining a reputation as a rather wild young man, perhaps fathering an illegitimate child, Franz married and settled-down to a typical peasant life.

He also became known for his opposition to the Nazi regime, casting the only local vote against the Anschluss (the annexation of Austria by Germany in March 1938), eschewing the local taverns and political argument, but typically responding "Pfui Hitler" when greeted by a "Heil." He also engaged in long discussions with his cousin, a J--'s Witness, having strong theological disagreements, but gaining great respect for the J--'s Witnesses' stand against service to Hitler.

His sacrifice was uniformly regarded as foolish by his neighbors, and his story almost forgotten, but for a book written by an American, Gordon Zahn, who heard of Jagerstatter when researching the subject of German Catholics' response to Hitler. This book, In Solitary Witness, influenced Daniel Ellsberg's decision to stand against the Vietnam War by bringing the Pentagon Papers to public attention. It is also the source for this report, and of the following quote, taken from one of Jagerstatter's last letters.


Individual members of the European Parliament are among the growing number of people worldwide who have been startled to hear about HAARP as well as Alaska lawmakers have heard scientists' concerns about HAARP.

However, it is kooky for DU members to read and ask questions about these same scientific articles and/ or issues concerning HAARP?

I did a Google search for some of the other scientists on the list that was in the article at http://nwo-warning.tripod.com/haarp.htm that was not included in the other thread. Again, by and large all my scientific references seem to have good qualifications see below with the exception of one.


Dr. Rosalie Bertell, Ph.D., GNSH

Dr. Patrick Flanagan

Dr. Nick Begich

Dr. Richard Williams

Writing in Physics and Society (the quarterly newsletter of the American Physical Society), Dr. Richard Williams, a consultant to Princeton University's David Sarnoff Laboratory, denounced ionospheric heating tests as irresponsible and potentially dangerous.

Dr.Elizabeth Rauscher

Dr. Rauscher was a nuclear scientist and researcher at Lawrence
Berkeley National Laboratory, and at Stanford Research
Institute, Professor of Physics at John F. Kennedy University of
California, research consultant to NASA and the U.S. Navy, and
is a member of IEEE, APS, AAAS, MAA, ANA, AAMI. She served on
the Congressional OTA Advisory Committee, and has been Delegate
and advisor to the United Nations on long-term energy sources
and environmental issues.

Dr. Rauscher has been recognized for her major contributions in
Marquis Who's Who of Men and Women in Science, Who's Who in
California and in Technology Today, Leading Consultants in
Technology, DOE top ten women in USA in science award, USPA
Leaders of America Life Time Membership Award, Lota Sigma Pi
fellow, Delta Delta Delta scholarships at UCB. She also received
the award for Outstanding Contribution to Astronomy and
Astrophysics, American Astronomical Society Meeting, Lawrence
Hall of Science, and the CSPS Hall of Fame Award by the
California Society for Physical Studies for Outstanding Research
in Bioelectromagnetism, the Foundations of Quantum Theory, and
Contributions to Humanity. She also received the Medal of Honor
for contributions to Unity of the Sciences, Seoul Korea, and
many other awards.

Dr. Rauscher has consulted and been an invited speaker at
numerous forums in the USA, England, Europe, Japan, Korea,
India, Africa, South America, Canada, Mexico, and Bermuda, and
is author of over 200 scientific papers and four books. She
holds 3 U.S. patents and 1 European patent.


Paul Schaefer

His degree is in electrical engineering and he spent four years building nuclear weapons.

David Yarrow

Researcher-David Yarrow of Albany, New York, is a researcher with a background in electronics.

Professor Gordon J. F. MacDonald

Professor Gordon J.F. MacDonald served on President Johnson's Science Advisory Committee in 1966 and published papers on the military use of weather modification.

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I first raised the issue over at DU after the Tsunami disaster, because, in my experience and with all my research of the powers that be that are in control of the technology of wars, I number one do not trust anything that comes out of the mouth of Bush or his administration.

So when I seen this on the news I knew for a fact that most of what we watch on the TV which claims to be news is in fact not news but simply an infomercial a propaganda advertising tactic to sell some product. That product is usually a slogan a product or a political philosophy.

In other words never do the viewers get both sides of the story. For example, right after the disaster the major media had scientists on saying that the only way Tsunami's can occur is by natural events. But that is not exactly true, earthquakes can occur by natural and/ or man made events, is what the media should of said if they were really printing the news. Why? Because the government has been experimenting with weapons that can cause earthquakes, and drilling for oil and other things can cause earthquakes as well.

I primarily use Dr. Rosalie Bertell to prove that this is a genuine question, and in her article background on HAARP the way I understood it, she was describing a project that has a long history which eventually worked itself into the military arsenal via the Star wars program. The way I see it she describes the weapon of HARRP and how it can be used as a weapon in more detail in the following article about her called:

The Earth as a Weapon in 21st Century of Wars

Dr. Bartell has also written a book specifically addressing the issue of HAARP as an environmental weapon in much more detail then simply saying what HAARP is in relation to the military-industrial-complex, because she wrote a 262 page book that describes how the earth itself can be used by weapons such as HAARP for polluting the environment and for ecological disasters.

Planet Earth - The Latest Weapon of War
A Critical Study into the Military and the Environment
Rosalie Bertell
Women's Press, 2000, 262 pp., no price given, p/b. ISBN - 0 7043 44280

In that same article at HAARP - New World Order Mind Control
and Weather Warfare Weapon
concerning Dr. Akasofu they say his theory is strange because the scientific literature on ionospheric heaters is full of references about "enhanced airglow" from experiments.

Dr. Siun Akasofu, head of the University of Alaska's Geophysical Institute, argued that speaking about the focusing is misleading and that even if the radio-frequency beam is focused, "...the amount of energy going into the ionosphere is so little that you cannot see any light coming from the ionosphere. One of most sensitive instruments in the world cannot see it. On the other hand, look at the aurora; you can see it with your naked eye." (We experienced Dr. Akasofu's statement as being strange, because the scientific literature on ionospheric heaters is full of references to "enhanced airglow" from the experiments.)

I don't see any problems with the scientific references I cited, except for one in which someone told me he did not have a PhD at all, when I guess he was telling people he had one.
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Dr. Bartell whom I use as someone that I cite thinks that most of the major earthquakes that occurred in the past were more then likely man-made. I cite those in my other thread here.

I have a firm philosophy that believes that militarism is the cause of much of the global warming that we have in the world. Most want to just be critical of politicians and corporate America, and leave out the military from all this.

I usually define my own topics, and if that is so unacceptable to DU, Fox, PFC and the NY Times then I will have to decide not to use their services.

And by the way I went over and read some of the Freeper threads and they love the idea that Skinner censored the man-made Tsunami story.

Most of you are burning bridges in the name of liberalism and that is destructive to your cause that is sad. Because liberals and liberalism has been the primary forces that have won against the Repugs in the past, and my guess is they will be the only ones that will win against the repugs in the future.

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The Guardian
"Controlling the weather"
Paul Simons
Monday September 24, 2001

Popular Mechanics
"Weather Wars"
Jim Wilson

Weather.com
"Controlling the Weather"
Amy Lewis, Sept. 13, 2000
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The Military's Pandora's Box

Two Alaskans put it bluntly. A founder of the NO HAARP movement, Clare Zickuhr, says "The military is going to give the ionosphere a big kick and see what happens."

The military failed to tell the public that they do not know what exactly will happen, but a Penn State science article brags about that uncertainty. Macho science? The HAARP project uses the largest energy levels yet played with by what Begich and Manning call "the big boys with their new toys." HAARP is an experiment in the sky, and experiments are done to find out something not already known. Independent scientists told Begich and Manning that a HAARP-type "skybuster" with its unforeseen effects could be an act of global vandalism.

HAARP Boils the Upper Atmosphere

HAARP will zap the upper atmosphere with a focused and steerable electromagnetic beam. It is an advanced model of an "ionospheric heater." (The ionosphere is the electrically-charged sphere surrounding Earth's upper atmosphere. It ranges between 40 to 60 miles above the surface of the Earth.)

Press releases and other information from the military on HAARP continually downplay what it could do. Publicity documents insist that the HAARP project is no different than other ionospheric heaters operating safely throughout the world in places such as Arecibo, Puerto Rico, Tromso, Norway, and the former Soviet Union. However, a 1990 government document indicates that the radio-frequency (RF) power zap will drive the ionosphere to unnatural activities.

Background on the HAARP Project
By Rosalie Bertell


The military implications of combining these projects is alarming. Basic to this project is control of communications, both disruption and reliability in hostile environments. The power wielded by such control is obvious. The ability of the HAARP / Spacelab/ rocket combination to deliver very large amount of energy, comparable to a nuclear bomb, anywhere on earth via laser and particle beams, are frightening. The project is likely to be "sold" to the public as a space shield against incoming weapons, or , for the more gullible, a devise for repairing the ozone layer.


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The Earth as a weapon in 21st Century of Wars
By Rahab S Hawa

For example, earthquakes are known to interact with the ionosphere (the atmosphere 50-373 miles above the earth's surface). In fact, many of the earthquakes that occurred in recent years were preceded by certain unexplained phenomena, says Dr. Bertell.

Another method is the use of very low frequency electromagnetic waves in weather modification experiments. These waves can pass through solid earth and oceans and have been used by the military to probe the upper atmosphere and the inner structure of the earth.

These pulsed, extremely low frequency (ELF) waves, for instance, can be used to convey mechanical effects and vibrations at great distances through the Earth. They can manipulate the weather, creating storms and torrential rains over an area.

These waves have the potential to generate earth movements. 'It has the capability to cause disturbance of volcanoes and tectonic plates, which in turn, have an effect on the weather,' she states.

Some of the examples in her book include the Tang Shan earthquake in China, which occurred on 28 July 1976, and left 650,000 people dead. The catastrophic event was preceded by an airglow, said to have been caused by Soviet ELF wave experiments to heat the ionosphere.

The other was the San Francisco earthquake. According to Dr. Bertell, unusual ultra low frequency waves were detected in California on 12 September 1989. These waves grew in intensity and finally subsided on 5 October. On 17 October, they appeared again with signals so strong that they went off the scale. Three hours later, the earthquake took place.

In fact, a Washington Times report in March 1992 said, satellites and ground sensors detected mysterious radio waves or related electrical and magnetic activity before major earthquakes in Southern California, Armenia, Japan and Northern California between 1986 and 1989.

'These strange coincidences have never been explained ... it seems highly probable that some of these earthquakes have been a result of human activity, not natural forces,' said Dr. Bertell.
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Dr. Flanagan has a doctorate in both medicine and physics and has experience in government weapons projects: he developed and sold a guided missile detector to the U.S. military when still a youth. Later he developed an electronic device for communication with the brain. Dr. Flanagan worked with a Pentagon think tank that was run by the former head of the Office of Scientific Research. He also developed speech encoding systems. He has worked for NASA, Tufts University, the Office of Naval Research, and at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds for the Department of Unconventional Weapons and Warfare.

The major portion of Dr. Flanagan's life work, however, has been on electromagnetic fields and their effects on living systems. In 1968 he turned his back on government-sponsored research, and since then has done independent research in his own laboratory.


A prolific inventor, Dr. Flanagan is credited with over 300 inventions.

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Well if Science really was scientific perhaps the critics of my theory might have a point, but as far as I can see from my research the scientific community has been in short taken over by the non-scientifc community perhaps around 50 or more years ago.

The reasons, of how, why, when and where is the subject of another thread, but with respect to scientific research with respect to the atom, Ralph Lapp one of the original scientists that built the A Bomb with Teller basically said that the scientific community changed after the A Bomb was built in a way that the science community was rewarded to not do scientific research by the standards that were set up before the atomic bomb was built.

Ralph Lapp wrote a few books about how the scientific community was manipulated for non-scientific purposes by the military-industrial-complex generals. Ralph Lapp describes this in his books Kill and Overkill: The Strategy of Annihilation New York Basic Books, Inc. 1962 and in another Ralph Lapp book, The new priesthood; the scientific elite and the uses of power he says:

No one, not even the most brilliant scientist alive today, really knows where science is taking us today. We are aboard a train which is gathering speed, racing down a track on which there are an unknown number of destinations. No single scientist is in the engine cab and there may be demons at the switch. Most of society is in the caboose looking backward

The new priesthood; the scientific elite and the uses of power, by Ralph E. Lapp.
by Lapp, Ralph Eugene, 1917-
New York, Harper & Row [1965] [1965]
Call Number:
C3 LAP
Description:
244 p. 22 cm.
Edition:
[1st ed.].

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I used excerpts from articles from a world renowned scientist such Dr. Bartell in this thread where she gives examples of how other major earthquakes in history were probably man-made because of HAARP I would assume, so I thought that the reader would just take the logical conclusion that perhaps the question could be asked such as... could it be possible for the Asia tsunami could possibly be man made as well?

Then I cited scientific excerpts to answer questions that I was asked on this thread. Scientists whom would have counterpoints that were raised in the questions to me such as HAARP does not have enough power to cause an earthquakes because it is only one gigawatt (billion watts) and therefore was to low of a power to cause an earthquake. The scientist or scientists that were called to testify by the Alaska legislature concerning HARRP said that getting in the one gigawatt (billion watts) or more range could possibly be a global threat to the atmosphere. Dr. Richard Williams:

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"I want to alert the legislature to an activity now going on in Alaska that, in addition to any local effect, might become a global threat to the atmosphere. That is HAARP. The initial experiment, as Mr.(project manager John) Hecksher said, will be done using modest power levels and are not a cause for concern. However, the project's internal documents indicate that plans include the eventual use of power levels up to ten billion watts. This is an enormous power level, more than 200 times the total electrical power level used by the city of Juneau. There could be a serious impact in the atmosphere that might result from energies of this magnitude. Effects might include drastic alteration of the thermal, refractive, scattering and emission character of the atmosphere over a wide range of the electromagnetic spectrum."

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Again from the article excerpts below I cited two scientists Dr. Flanagan and Dr. Richard Williams whom has a doctorate degree in physical chemistry from Harvard University. Dr. Flanagan describes how the HAARP project as it started was at the energy level of 3.6 kilowatts and that the full scale HAARP was projected to be at 3,600 kilowatts. When the second phase of HARRP kicked in it was estimated to achieve 4.7 billion watts. Dr. Begich,says that natural processes can amplify energy in certain frequencies 1,000 times when it reaches the outermost portions of the ionosphere. He warns of potential disaster at this point. And oh yes, one can just imagine.

Energy Measurements

A kilowatt (kW) is one thousand watts.
A megawatt (MW) is one million watts or one thousand kWs.
A gigawatt (GW) is one billion watts or one thousand MWs.


Has the military decided to downsize this current program they call HAARP because of public attention to it? At the legislative hearing, a representative of the military said the current developmental prototype of HAARP is capable of 3.6 kilowatts of radiated power. The full scale prototype will provide up to ten times that, or about 3,600 kilowatts, he said.

Dr. Patrick Flanagan noted that "the power levels described by Dr. Hecksher aren't consistent with a statement he made on a TV show (Sightings). When he was interviewed, (Dr. Hecksher) said the HAARP system can punch holes through the ionosphere and these holes would heal shortly after a HAARP system was turned off."

To punch a hole through the ionosphere would take more than the alleged 3,600 kilowatts, Dr. Flanagan indicated. He did mention, however, that there was another disturbing possibility: the "maser amplification of the HAARP energy. For example, if HAARP is applying 3,600 kilowatts to the ionosphere, there's a possibility of what is called maser amplification of that energy by charged particles in the ionosphere...the energy is powered by the energy from the sun. So that these charged particles in the ionosphere can be caused to mase... So that puts out more energy than HAARP is putting in."

What do the military planners have in mind? Technical Memorandum 195, an unpublished 613-page compilation concerning the HAARP Workshop on Ionospheric Heating Diagnostics, (held in 1991 at Hanscom Air Force Base, Massachusetts) includes this piece of information: the desired level of power for HAARP is 100 billion watts, vastly greater than what the military is now claiming as a goal. Other documents from the military were openly published and refer to power levels between one and ten gigawatts (billion watts).

HAARP TRANSMITTER NOW RUNNING AT FULL POWER

Re: HAARP TRANSMITTER NOW RUNNING AT FULL POWER
The timing of this is nicely obvious, isn't it. According to the HAARP Update www.earthpulse.com/ ...the 1st phase of HAARP was meant to reach 1 billion watts of effective radiated power being directed at the ionosphere. The 2nd phase when completed was designed to achieve 4.7 billion watts. If that isn't bad enough, according to Dr. Begich, natural processes can amplify energy in certain frequencies 1,000 times when it reaches the outermost portions of the ionosphere. He warns of potential disaster at this point. And oh yes, one can just imagine.

Note: I generally in my research like to cite both sides as much as possible, but so far I found no independent scientific articles that address HAARP as it not being possible to be a weapon that could cause earthquakes.

"Planet Earth:The Latest Weapon of War" 04.Jan.2005 18:19
Read the book or shut the clap up link

People who criticize without any knowledge are a sad lot. They probably don't read just spew picked up pieces of rumours here and theres. Or, they work for the SS of the Corporate State.
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Dr. Rosalie Bertell,is a world renown scientist, expert on low level radiation who has been called on as a consultant all over the world - Chernobyl included. She has written a shocking book. Using declassified material and numerous documented sources, she has exposed what the US military has been doing for the last 50 years - secret experiments on its own citizens, its own army personnel and on the planet.
She exposes HAARP (High Frequency Active Aural Research)(which went from a private project to the army).
GETTING HIGH on blowing holes into the earth atmosphere causing more ozone to deplete, ionizing the earth's ionosphere and magnetosphere, manipulating the weather, seeding the clouds, etc., et., the overgrown boys IN THE ARMY (with the State and some of the elite financing them) are putting our beautiful planet and its species into danger.


LET US LISTEN TO HER ARGUMENTS before it is too late. She is also a nun who has no personal financial interests.

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Are we making Holes in Heaven? H.A.A.R.P. (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) is a controversial high frequency radio transmitter, or "ionospheric heater," [X-ray] .. Using HAARP our military plans to .. "see" into the Earth, detecting anything from oil reserves to underground missile silos.

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